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Build blog for Heller's HMS Victory
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Posted: Monday, August 24, 2020 - 11:04 AM UTC

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Timothy,

It does look large, any reason why you increased the size?

Mark



I didn't like the previous size! It looked out of proportion for its function.

Tim
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Posted: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 - 02:13 PM UTC
The good news is, I finally got the main topsail attached to the yardarm. I also got the mainsail colored with my coffee solution, as well as the string for the reef lines and the various attachment points for the bowlines, sheets, and clew lines.

Of course, there has to be some bad news: I was test fitting the mainsail in place, and without realizing it, I was pulling upwards WAY too hard on the main yard, thus breaking the glued connection to the mast (I bet you thought I was going to say I broke the main yard!). So the main yard is still in place, given the sling and the lifts I've already rigged, but I need to get in there and get some more cement on it to make sure it stays secure. Plus, I need to iron the main sail and give it the watered-down white glue treatment, to try and give it a little bit of ship.

I noticed, when I was putting in some of the final attachments of the topsail, that I managed to get some of the already-installed rigging caught up in the overhand knots I was making. This has led me to the conclusion that I will probably be better off if I install the remaining sails before I install any more of the rigging.

It doesn't help, either, to have some kind of neck/shoulder injury, where it's quite painful to raise up my arm...attaching the topsail literally hurt a lot, and it was/is at such a height, that sitting down is too low to do any work, and standing up is too high.

I should quit complaining, before I pitch the model out the window.

Otherwise, hope all our friends on the US west coast are getting through all the wildfires, and on the Gulf coast, are prepared for Sally to make her appearance. (I think the current storm is named Sally, right? )

Thanks for stopping by!

Tim
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Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - 12:12 AM UTC
Timothy,

Bummer about the damage during the installation, been there done that. Hang in there you gone a long way to quite now. Just step back and let it sit for a while don't push it. During my build of the Kirishima it sat for two months due frustration getting the main mast in place. When I went back to it that damn mast fit right in the first attempt, go figure.

Post some photos when you get a chance. Like see how sail installation turned out.

Mark
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Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - 09:45 AM UTC

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Timothy,

Bummer about the damage during the installation, been there done that. Hang in there you gone a long way to quite now.



It'll be my luck, once Victory is finished, I'll trip on the stairs and and turn it into a pile of plastric & thread!

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Just step back and let it sit for a while don't push it. During my build of the Kirishima it sat for two months due frustration getting the main mast in place. When I went back to it that damn mast fit right in the first attempt, go figure.

Yeah, I know the feeling.



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Post some photos when you get a chance. Like see how sail installation turned out.

Mark



OK sure, no problem. Maybe tomorrow or Friday. I clamped the main yard and started applying some cement to it, not sure if any of the cement was getting down in between the mast & yard, will have to check that tomorrow.

Cheers,

Tim
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Posted: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 - 11:25 PM UTC

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It'll be my luck, once Victory is finished, I'll trip on the stairs and and turn it into a pile of plastric & thread!


Cheers,

Tim



Please don't destroy all that beautiful work Tim

I think even all your followers would cry if that happened!
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Posted: Thursday, September 17, 2020 - 02:31 PM UTC

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It'll be my luck, once Victory is finished, I'll trip on the stairs and and turn it into a pile of plastric & thread!


Cheers,

Tim



Please don't destroy all that beautiful work Tim

I think even all your followers would cry if that happened!



Oh, alright.
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Posted: Friday, September 18, 2020 - 06:52 PM UTC
Tim May I ask why you are glueing the yard in place. Isnít it supposed to move up and down the mast, go as low as the slings allow. Parrals are used to keep it against the mast. Or are you glueing it in place for display purposes. Iím unsure which way to go but Iím still building the hull so have plenty of time to ponder.
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Posted: Saturday, September 19, 2020 - 03:07 AM UTC

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Tim May I ask why you are glueing the yard in place. Isnít it supposed to move up and down the mast, go as low as the slings allow. Parrals are used to keep it against the mast. Or are you glueing it in place for display purposes. Iím unsure which way to go but Iím still building the hull so have plenty of time to ponder.



Well, I'm pretty much making this a "static" model, and I'm not using parrals. (And if you use parrals, you'll have to fabricate them). As it is, that yard is pretty much "stuck in place" what with the sling and the lifts I have already installed, but I still want to cement in place. Besides, the yard is relatively round where it lays against the mast, and the mast itself has a square, or box-like...protrusion?... on it, so I think it would have been a chore to keep the yard in place while attaching the sling & the lifts. Besides, I made a cut-out on the yard, to make it fit firmly against the mast. Also, I think, by not making a solid connection between the yard & mast, further rigging on the yard or sail would become a nightmare. For example, installing the either the sheet lines or the braces (on the mainsail/main yard), there would be uneven tension on the yardarm, and the rigging would tend to twist the yard either too much to the left or to the right. This problem would be exacerbated on a topgallant or top yard, as the lifts are out on the end of the yard. Just my two cents!

Bottom line, I need to quit being so rough when attaching things!!

And with all that said, some pictures. This first one, it was a photo in the newspaper, of the USS Ronald Reagan. When I saw it, I said to myself, "Oh, this is one badass photo!". So here it is:

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This last photo, shows how, when I was tying the knot for the for attaching the sail, I managed to get two previously installed rigging lines caught in the knot...I don't remember if I put any glue on the knot already, but I'm going to try and undo the knot, re-tie it, but this time, not getting any other lines caught in the knot!

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Posted: Sunday, September 20, 2020 - 07:44 AM UTC
Tim your model is looking great. Saw the Reagan the last time I was across your side of the pond. We were berthed next jetty to it. It is massive, constant activity 24/7.
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Posted: Sunday, September 20, 2020 - 02:07 PM UTC

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Tim your model is looking great. Saw the Reagan the last time I was across your side of the pond. We were berthed next jetty to it. It is massive, constant activity 24/7.



Thanks, Lee. Can't wait to get her finished!!

I think that picture of the Reagan shows her size quite well!

Tim
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Posted: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 - 10:55 PM UTC
Amazing work as always, Tim!

Nearly at the finish line!
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Posted: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 - 10:42 AM UTC

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Amazing work as always, Tim!

Nearly at the finish line!



Yes, but that finish line is about 20 km (12 miles) away!

I was wanting to ask you Russ, I think before, you said you were an industrial designer? If so, where did you go to school, and was there a particular field you studied?

In other news, I tried to undo the knot that had captured 2 rigging lines - I got the first knot undone ok, but the second one wasn't cooperating, so I decided just to cut it off, and install a new piece of thread. Being careful, of course, not to get those 2 lines caught up in the knot! It's very problematic trying to grab a piece of white string, against a white background, with a bunch of other white threads hanging around. Really is hard on my depth perception! I also re-glued the main yard today, using some Testor's glue - I tried some liquid cement before, but it wasn't holding well, so I used my "tried and true" stuff.

I need to iron out the puckers on the mainsail, install the reef lines & cringles, and then attach the mainsail. If I put my mind to it, it might actually get done before the end of the month! (Fingers crossed!)

As always, thanks for stopping by and having a look. I noticed the other day, in one of the ads that are here on the website, there was a company selling wood sailing ship models, and they had HMS Victory (in 1/72nd scale, I think) as one of their offerings. Only wanted 1400 USD for it! But it was a doozy - some 56 inches long, and it came with 2400 individual copper pieces for plating the hull! Something to dream about, I suppose....

Cheers,

Tim
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Posted: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 - 02:02 PM UTC

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Amazing work as always, Tim!

Nearly at the finish line!



Yes, but that finish line is about 20 km (12 miles) away!



but way closer to the finish line than the starting line...


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I was wanting to ask you Russ, I think before, you said you were an industrial designer? If so, where did you go to school, and was there a particular field you studied?



Correct, Tim: I completed a Bachelor of Technology (Industrial Design) with Automotive as my elective at Monash University in Melbourne way back in 1996... I've been working in the Plastics industry since supplying parts to the automotive chain (until the Australian government decided we no longer needed to make cars here ) and related parts since..



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In other news, I tried to undo the knot that had captured 2 rigging lines - I got the first knot undone ok, but the second one wasn't cooperating, so I decided just to cut it off, and install a new piece of thread. Being careful, of course, not to get those 2 lines caught up in the knot! It's very problematic trying to grab a piece of white string, against a white background, with a bunch of other white threads hanging around. Really is hard on my depth perception! I also re-glued the main yard today, using some Testor's glue - I tried some liquid cement before, but it wasn't holding well, so I used my "tried and true" stuff.

I need to iron out the puckers on the mainsail, install the reef lines & cringles, and then attach the mainsail. If I put my mind to it, it might actually get done before the end of the month! (Fingers crossed!)



Tricky work for anyone, Tim, but sounds like you've got things worked out nicely...


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As always, thanks for stopping by and having a look. I noticed the other day, in one of the ads that are here on the website, there was a company selling wood sailing ship models, and they had HMS Victory (in 1/72nd scale, I think) as one of their offerings. Only wanted 1400 USD for it! But it was a doozy - some 56 inches long, and it came with 2400 individual copper pieces for plating the hull! Something to dream about, I suppose....

Cheers,

Tim



Hmmm... I often wonder myself what it would be like to build something like those wooden kits you've described... Then I assign it to the "nice to wonder about" and "happy to watch others department" as I know that it would take me about 200 years for me to complete just one of them at my glacial pace of building
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Posted: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 - 02:35 PM UTC
Hi Russ! Yes, I thought you were the I.D. guy...I studied I.D. for a while at university; didn't finish, though. One of our professors had been taught by someone who had gone to school at the Bauhaus.

I could see myself doing that wooden HMS Victory, but like you said, it would be 200 years before it got completed! And I doubt if I could accurately tack down 2400 individual copper plates on the hull!

Tim
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Posted: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 - 03:16 PM UTC

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Hi Russ! Yes, I thought you were the I.D. guy...I studied I.D. for a while at university; didn't finish, though. One of our professors had been taught by someone who had gone to school at the Bauhaus.



hehe, yep, that's me! No shame in not finishing, Tim: It's a very tough course, we had a 30% drop out rate in the first year alone... I think the hardest challenge was that assessment was on practical work not on exams and as such the work loads required week in, week out in order to succeed were exceptionally high... From memory I think only about 30% of my original class mates graduated at the same time...

The Bauhaus hey? Quite a connection... The only one I've got, and it's a cigarette paper thin connection, is that I share the same surname with Charles

Can I ask what was it you ended up doing instead of ID?

To give you a bit more back story, it was the Star Wars movies that got me into ID. After seeing them as a kid all I wanted to do was to work on studio models in the same vein as the guys n gals at ILM... Then along came cars to add to the mix and hey, whadya know?

Now as the industry winds down more and more in Australia, I find the desire to get into restoring classic cars and hot rods growing more each day... ultimately leaving ID behind...


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I could see myself doing that wooden HMS Victory, but like you said, it would be 200 years before it got completed! And I doubt if I could accurately tack down 2400 individual copper plates on the hull!

Tim



I reckon you'd do an exemplary job, Tim!

My wife reckons I should move into wooden sail ship building too, but if the price isn't enough to put me off, I've got the problem of where to put the thing

TBH, I like to live vicariously through other people when it comes to wooden ship models as there's always a very strong presence at our annual national IPMS show down here in Melbourne... Well, normally. Not this year though
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Posted: Thursday, September 24, 2020 - 08:32 AM UTC

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Hi Russ! Yes, I thought you were the I.D. guy...I studied I.D. for a while at university; didn't finish, though. One of our professors had been taught by someone who had gone to school at the Bauhaus.



hehe, yep, that's me! No shame in not finishing, Tim: It's a very tough course, we had a 30% drop out rate in the first year alone... I think the hardest challenge was that assessment was on practical work not on exams and as such the work loads required week in, week out in order to succeed were exceptionally high... From memory I think only about 30% of my original class mates graduated at the same time...

The Bauhaus hey? Quite a connection... The only one I've got, and it's a cigarette paper thin connection, is that I share the same surname with Charles

Can I ask what was it you ended up doing instead of ID?

To give you a bit more back story, it was the Star Wars movies that got me into ID. After seeing them as a kid all I wanted to do was to work on studio models in the same vein as the guys n gals at ILM... Then along came cars to add to the mix and hey, whadya know?

Now as the industry winds down more and more in Australia, I find the desire to get into restoring classic cars and hot rods growing more each day... ultimately leaving ID behind...


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I could see myself doing that wooden HMS Victory, but like you said, it would be 200 years before it got completed! And I doubt if I could accurately tack down 2400 individual copper plates on the hull!

Tim



I reckon you'd do an exemplary job, Tim!

My wife reckons I should move into wooden sail ship building too, but if the price isn't enough to put me off, I've got the problem of where to put the thing

TBH, I like to live vicariously through other people when it comes to wooden ship models as there's always a very strong presence at our annual national IPMS show down here in Melbourne... Well, normally. Not this year though



Well, it's not so much that I didn't finish the ID course, I just found myself really foundering at school...so in the end, I dropped out, and joined the army. Not that that was a bad decision; I learned a skill (satellite communications) that I've managed to parlay into a civilian job, plus I had two overseas tours, which were great.

Getting into ID, there was an exhibit of some of the objects the design students had made, and I said to myself "That's what I want to do!" At Ohio State University, back then (!), ID was in the College of Art, but there were still some engineering classes that were required. If I think about it, I might be able dredge a photo or two of one of the projects we were required to do.

I had to think really hard about your Bauhaus surname reference, but I finally got it!!

If I had the resources and were to start doing vehicle restorations, I'd love to do a tank restoration, in particular, a German Tiger I. (With a functioning 88 mm main gun !). I remember as a kid, most models back then were either of cars or airplanes (with Revell and Monogram being the 2 big names).

Heck, if I was going to build a wooden built, I think I'd make a full-size vessel...I have a sailing license, and would love to have my own boat.

And now, in HMS Victory news: I did some more ironing on the mainsail today. Interestingly, the more I ironed it, it seemed the darker it got. Comparing the mainsail to the other installed sails, the mainsail is noticeably darker than most everything else.

So that's my story, and I'm sticking to it!

Tim
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Posted: Monday, September 28, 2020 - 11:12 PM UTC
And a darn good story it is too Tim
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Posted: Monday, October 05, 2020 - 11:49 PM UTC
Hello everyone!

Well, since there's an effort afoot to re-vamp the website and consequently its forums, I have continued the rest of this blog in the new "beta forums", under the category of "Sail". The title is "Continuation of build blog HMS Victory". I'm told that this old forum will, in the future, become a "flat" HTML file (I guess flat means "static",or non-interactive).

So for now, my latest post(and future posts)is over in the beta forums area. Should you want to post over there, you will (essentially) have to create a new user account; if no one else has taken your username, you can probably use the same one, but your password is now mandated to be 10 characters, if it wasn't already.

So, hope to see you in the new forums!!

Cheers,

Tim
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Posted: Tuesday, October 06, 2020 - 08:25 AM UTC
Yep! New site works great so far!

I'll see you over there Tim

PS. Maybe post a link that people can click on to link to your blog on the new site...
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Posted: Saturday, October 17, 2020 - 04:55 AM UTC
Looking Great!
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Posted: Saturday, October 17, 2020 - 08:01 AM UTC

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Hello everyone!

Well, since there's an effort afoot to re-vamp the website and consequently its forums, I have continued the rest of this blog in the new "beta forums", under the category of "Sail". The title is "Continuation of build blog HMS Victory". I'm told that this old forum will, in the future, become a "flat" HTML file (I guess flat means "static",or non-interactive).

So for now, my latest post(and future posts)is over in the beta forums area. Should you want to post over there, you will (essentially) have to create a new user account; if no one else has taken your username, you can probably use the same one, but your password is now mandated to be 10 characters, if it wasn't already.

So, hope to see you in the new forums!!

Cheers,

Tim



Here's the link:

https://forums.kitmaker.net/t/continuation-of-build-blog-of-hellers-hms-victory/305/14