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Posted: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 - 05:47 PM UTC

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Thanks Mal, yeah, I totally agree about the floaty feel and its something I may try to address. The Drive sprockets were a real pain, I had serious issues with the flexible tracks and the Idler wheels. If Id gone down the individual metal track link route I think both problems would have been resolved but i wanted to keep my costs at a minimum as it was a my first build. Lots of lessons learnt from this piece.



Many, many moons ago I think that it was Francoise Verlinden who said "the only time that I use tube glue is to glue the TA wheel on an armour model, because it will be a stronger joint".

Getting a tank to look like it has real weight is crucial to a perfect diorama, your silver shows that was the only thing that meant that you missed out on gold? The overall groundwork is very well done, the figures are equally as good, nice relaxed posses but the weathering on the Sherman, particularly the mud on the running gear and over the nose is very well done and very realistic. To me your weathering is up there with the best, if not better



Thanks for the positive comments mate. I think im going to cut a trench about 4mm deep that the tank can sit in. Then I can add some more earth and mud effects around the tracks that match the current dioramas earth. This should look like tank is sinking under its own weight a little.
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Posted: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 - 12:18 PM UTC

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Thanks Mal, yeah, I totally agree about the floaty feel and its something I may try to address. The Drive sprockets were a real pain, I had serious issues with the flexible tracks and the Idler wheels. If Id gone down the individual metal track link route I think both problems would have been resolved but i wanted to keep my costs at a minimum as it was a my first build. Lots of lessons learnt from this piece.



Many, many moons ago I think that it was Francoise Verlinden who said "the only time that I use tube glue is to glue the TA wheel on an armour model, because it will be a stronger joint".

Getting a tank to look like it has real weight is crucial to a perfect diorama, your silver shows that was the only thing that meant that you missed out on gold? The overall groundwork is very well done, the figures are equally as good, nice relaxed posses but the weathering on the Sherman, particularly the mud on the running gear and over the nose is very well done and very realistic. To me your weathering is up there with the best, if not better
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Posted: Monday, March 26, 2018 - 12:58 PM UTC
Congratulations once again Jon.

it was an absolute pleasure to see this close up.
the groundwork is really first class work.

Can't wait to see what you come up with next.
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Posted: Monday, March 26, 2018 - 12:48 PM UTC

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Very nicely done, I love the realistic look of it

When you said that you received a silver I wondered why you didn't get gold! The only thing that I can see is that it looks a little floaty?Not embedded in the ground but you could fix that? The drive sprockets are also not positioned between the track links, but you may be able to fix that?

I'm not trying to criticise! I can't even finish building an armour subject Just things to maybe note for next time, for that gold


Thanks Mal, yeah, I totally agree about the floaty feel and its something I may try to address. The Drive sprockets were a real pain, I had serious issues with the flexible tracks and the Idler wheels. If Id gone down the individual metal track link route I think both problems would have been resolved but i wanted to keep my costs at a minimum as it was a my first build. Lots of lessons learnt from this piece.
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Posted: Monday, March 26, 2018 - 10:41 AM UTC
Very nicely done, I love the realistic look of it

When you said that you received a silver I wondered why you didn't get gold! The only thing that I can see is that it looks a little floaty?Not embedded in the ground but you could fix that? The drive sprockets are also not positioned between the track links, but you may be able to fix that?

I'm not trying to criticise! I can't even finish building an armour subject Just things to maybe note for next time, for that gold
JonGibbons
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Posted: Monday, March 26, 2018 - 12:55 AM UTC
Well that was a challenge but very fun indeed!

All built including Diorama base, took this along to the Stoke Show and won silver in the Vignette Category so very chuffed!

Time to move on to another project!!










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Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2018 - 11:30 PM UTC

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Very nice looking M4 Jon, the weathering did have me worried earlier in your posts but it has all come together now.
My only observation is that the running gear (wheels and suspension units) donít seem to show the same amount of wear and dirt as the rest of the tank but thatís only my observation.



Thanks Luciano, Ive left the weathering of the running gear at the moment as Im planning on making this tank part of its own full diorama. Once ive decided on the terrain I will weather accordingly.
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Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2018 - 02:06 PM UTC
Very nice looking M4 Jon, the weathering did have me worried earlier in your posts but it has all come together now.
My only observation is that the running gear (wheels and suspension units) donít seem to show the same amount of wear and dirt as the rest of the tank but thatís only my observation.
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Posted: Saturday, March 10, 2018 - 12:00 PM UTC
That is really looking the part
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Posted: Friday, March 09, 2018 - 08:43 PM UTC
A bit more of an update. Almost done now on the tank :-)



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Posted: Sunday, March 04, 2018 - 12:26 PM UTC
Looking really good
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Posted: Saturday, March 03, 2018 - 11:48 PM UTC
Excellent looking model mate.

Well done
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Posted: Saturday, March 03, 2018 - 11:25 PM UTC
Finished up on the sandbag front armour, im very happy with how these turned out. just painted on the base colour before I start weathering and making some variations on each sandbag.

I also built some extra stowage for the rear using putty, wooden strips and pencil erasers plus a few oily rags around the tank. All of these need further painting and weathering. Lots more to do!




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Posted: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 - 11:41 PM UTC
more work on the sandbag front, happy so far...

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Posted: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 - 11:47 AM UTC
You can't go far wrong with that method of making sand bags, it was good enough for Verlinden

You have me thinking about this for my Fire Fly, if I can ever get over doing the tracks!

Maybe you can replace the .50 with a metal one at a later date, when you have more modelling tokens and are further along the modelling journey? The kit one looks OK though
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Posted: Wednesday, February 28, 2018 - 02:47 AM UTC
After struggling for hours creating little sandbags of tape and Plasticine I decided to scrap the idea.

Instead ive gone the traditional route of making the bags from 2 part putty, adding the seams and also using the previous tape to gently mark out the weave texture on each bag. Its already looking much better.


Im also almost done on the final weathering for the tank, Ive given the tank a subtle dusting of 2 tone pigments that have then been fixed using pigment fixer. Ive also added fuel stains and fresh oil spills.


The .50 cal machine gun has been added. I used the one that came with the model, Id have preferred to have gone with a metal MG and Metal Main Gun but I wanted to keep cost to a minimum as this is my first tank model.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 - 02:01 PM UTC

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I'm really glad that you enjoyed meeting the guys, and gal I'm alos very glad that you were able to get some advice on keeping the TA wheel attached
The sandbag is looking good I would run it , very quickly, through a flame, to remove the fuzz, because that puts it slightly out of scale? Mind you a cote of varnish would also stop it from sticking up.
Sorry but the Sapper in me just screams because the corners of that bag aren't tucked in! I suppose that the target crew wouldn't bother about that. I guess that there isn't a seam but if there is then that makes the bag the correct way around
Could you add a seam?



Hi Mal

I totally agree about the bag, once ive got them all built up im going to soak in PVA glue prior to the painting and weathering process on them. Im hoping that I can add seams when the glue is still wet. If it all fails or looks a mess then I can always add sculpted bags
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Posted: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 - 01:59 PM UTC

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Wow-- darn nice work for a guy who's just getting back into the hobby! Looking forward to the finish of this one and the beginning of the next one!
VR, Russ



Thanks Russ, its been a fun project so far. But far from finished.
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Posted: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 - 12:34 PM UTC
I'm really glad that you enjoyed meeting the guys, and gal I'm alos very glad that you were able to get some advice on keeping the TA wheel attached
The sandbag is looking good I would run it , very quickly, through a flame, to remove the fuzz, because that puts it slightly out of scale? Mind you a cote of varnish would also stop it from sticking up.
Sorry but the Sapper in me just screams because the corners of that bag aren't tucked in! I suppose that the target crew wouldn't bother about that. I guess that there isn't a seam but if there is then that makes the bag the correct way around
Could you add a seam?
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Posted: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 - 01:47 AM UTC
That's champion is that Sherman Jon. The paintwork is even more impressive close up.

So glad you enjoyed the show, you were good company for us too.

Hope you will come and join us again at Stoke in March, most of the same guys (and lady),.will be there again to chat some more with.

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Posted: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 - 01:00 AM UTC
Wow-- darn nice work for a guy who's just getting back into the hobby! Looking forward to the finish of this one and the beginning of the next one!
VR, Russ
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Posted: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 - 12:32 AM UTC
Had a great day at the Nantwich show, took along the Tank as I was having issues getting the damn tracks to fix without snapping the Idler Wheels, thankfully now sorted with help from some friendly bulldogs

I carved and painted a piece of pine (I didnt have any balsa wood! lol)to represent a railway sleeper fixed to the front of the Sherman as I want it sandbagged.

Ive started to make the sandbags out of Athlete sticky tape (which has a nice weave texture) and a blob of plasticine, tied with some fine ships rigging thread. The benefit of the plasticine is that it can be molded in shape around the tanks structure. Once ive built up the bags I will coat with watered PVA and paint.



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Posted: Monday, February 19, 2018 - 11:38 AM UTC
Yep, that is working
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Posted: Monday, February 19, 2018 - 01:16 AM UTC
Certainly looks 'tired' Jon.
great stuff.!
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Posted: Monday, February 19, 2018 - 01:09 AM UTC
After a coat of satin varnish, ive applied a mix of Winter streaking grime and dust effects in a thinned down medium, very lightly brushed in certain areas. Ive then added a dark brown wash in key areas to help give a sense of depth.
I then used a light Rust coloured wash around areas that would be worn. darker rust streaks have been applied to heavy chipped areas.

My idea for this Tank is to have a vignette or diorama showing the vehicle laden with equipment and slogging through the European countryside towards the end of the War. I want it looking tired and battle weary.